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Author: Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647.
Title: Some drops of the viall, powred out in a season when it is neither night nor day, or, Some discoveries of Iesus Christ His glory in severall books ... : all which books are here reprinted in one booke entirely after the severall impressions of them and presented to the reader / by John Saltmarsh ...
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Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647.
London: Printed for Giles Calvert ..., 1646.
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Some Drops of the Viall, powred OUT IN A SEASON, WHEN IT IS Neither Night nor Day: OR, Some Discoveries of Iesus Christ His Glory in severall BOOKS; viz.
TO HIS EXCELLENCY, Sir THOMAS FAIRFAX, Generall of all the Forccs raised for the PARLIAMENT.
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A Quaere:
OBIECTIONS.
I.
Object. II.
THE OPENING OF MASTER PRYNNES NEW BOOK; CALLED, A Vindication: OR, Light breaking out from a Cloud of Differences, or late Controversies.
To the Honourable Philip Skippon, Major Generall of the Army, raised for the King and Parliament, under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairfax Generall.
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Vindication, Fol. 36.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 37.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 37.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 37, 38.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 38.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 38.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 41.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 41.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 41.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol 41, 42.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 4.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 43.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 44.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 46.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 46.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 47.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 51.
Inference.
Vindication, Fol. 57.
Inference.
THE NEW QVAERES. Folio 1. Of the Vindication propounded to the Honourable PARLIAMENT & ASSEMBLY.
Quaere 1.
Antiquaere 1.
Quaere. 2. Fol. 51.
Reasons.
Antiquaere 2.
Quere 3. Fol. 53.
Antiquaere.
Quaere 4. Fol. 53.
Antiquaere.
An Experimentall-Argument for pure Churches and Ordinances.
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II. Argument from the Power of Spirituall Ordinances and Dispensations.
Argument III.
The Rule of Evidences for Spirituall-Communion.
A remarkable Passage in the Vindication-Booke.
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The Smoke in the Temple. WHEREIN IS A DESIGNE FOR PEACE & RECONCILIATION of Beleevers of the severall OPINIONS of these Times about ORDINANCES, to a Forbearance of each other in Love, and Meeknesse, and Humility.
To the Right Honourable the Lord Vicount SAY and SEALE, and Lieutenant Generall CROMWEL.
To the Beleevers of severall Opinions for outward Ordi∣nances or dispensations, scandalously called Independents, Presbyterians, Anabaptists, Seekers.
THE CONTENTS.
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A WAY OF PEACE: OR, A Designe of Reconciliation. How the Beleevers of severall Opinions, scandalously called Presbyterians, Independents, Anabaptists, Seekers, may be re∣conciled to forbeare one another.
(1) Gods love the first and last glorious Ʋnion to be considered, to draw us to Ʋnity.
(2) Names of Sects and Division to be laid down.
(3) Passions and railings forborn.
(4) Reviling each other for infirmities forborn.
(5) The sins of any not to be laid on the Cause.
(6) Liberty for Printing and speaking.
(7) Let all subscribe their names to what they Print.
(8) Let all be severally accountable.
(9) Free Debates and open Conferences.
(10) Let us call Beleevers, though of severall opinions, if the Name Bre∣thren cannot be justly allowed.
(11) No Beleevers to esteeme too highly of themselves for what they attain to.
(12) No assuming infallibility over each other.
(13) No Civill Power drawn into advantages.
(14) Tendernesse in offending each other, in things of an outward nature.
(15) Severall Opinions from the Gospels first discovery, yet all Beleevers.
(16) No despising for too much learning, or too little.
(17) We may be in one Christ, though divers.
(18) The spirituall Persecution to be forborne.
THE UNWARRANTABLE WAY OF PEACE: Or, The Antichristian Designe of Reconciliation.
(1) To beleeve as the Church or Councels.
(2) To set up one as the Pope, for infallibilitie.
(3) To allow that all may be saved in their severall wayes.
(4) To forbid Interpretings and Disputes.
(5) By a compulsive power.
THE OPINIONS OF THESE TIMES:
Presbyterie, So called; What it is, and what they hold.
Exceptions.
Independancy, So called; What it is, and what they hold.
Exceptions.
Anabatisme, So called; What it is, and what they hold.
Exceptions against the grounds of the new Baptism.
Seeking, or, Seekers, So called; What their Way is, and what they hold.
The Exceptions.
CONCLUSION.
The Gospell, or New Testament of JESUS CHRIST, proved unde∣niably to be the very Word of God, without Miracles, to assure us of the particular duties in it.
One Argument from the Nationall Covenant, for Liberty of Con∣science, yet with all subordinate and just obedience to the State.
To my Reverend learned Freind M. LEY, One of the Assembly of Divines, at Westminster, Author of a Book called The Resolution of the New Quere, published by Master Saltmarsh.
THE SMOKE IN THE TEMPLE: Wherein, is the Vindication of the new QUERE, From Master Ley's RESOLUTION.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 2, & 3.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 4, & 5.
Answer.
Master Ley's Resolution, page 6, 7, and 8.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution Page 9, & 10.
Reply.
Note.
Note.
Master Ley's Resolution pag, 9, & 10.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, pag. 10.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, page 10.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, page 10.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, page 10. & 11.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, page 12.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution pag. 12, & 13.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, page 12, & 13.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, pag. 15, & 16.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 16, & 17.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 17, 18 19.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 23, & 24.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 24, & 25.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Pag. 26, & 27.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, pag. 27, 28, 29.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, pag. 29, 30▪ 31.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 32.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 32.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 33.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 33.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 33.
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Master Ley's Resolution, Page 34.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 34.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 34, 35, 36.
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Master Ley's Resolution, pag. 36, 37, 38.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, pag. 38, 39, 40.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 40, & 41.
Reply.
Master Ley's Resolution, Page 41, & 42.
Reply.
Spirituall Principles drawn forth.
Gospell-Truth is one and the same.
Prudence and Consequences, are the great Engines of Will-worship.
The people are Brethren and Saints in Christs Church; but in Anti∣christs, Parishioners and Servants.
Presbytery it self is founded on Principles of separation, which yet they con∣demn for Schism in other Churches; nay, is the greatest separation.
None to be forced under Christs Kingdom, as in the Kingdoms of the world.
The power of a formall Rformation in a Government makes it not Christs Government,
The visible Church or Communion, is the Image of the invisible or mysticall.
How Christ is a King of the Nations, and of the Church, and how an Head.
The Presbyteriall Government, and the Worlds, of the same equall Dominion.
The Nationall, and Congregationall Church-covenant, both lawfull, or both unlawfull.
We receive and give out Truth by parts.
All Covenanters are bound to contribute to Religion as well as State.
We are to try Truth, and so receive it in its Degrees.
No Church-way INDEPENDENCIE.
A spirit of Love and Meeknesse becomes Beleevers.
When a State-conscience is fully perswaded; doubtfull, and so sinning.
Post-script. The Testimony of Salmasius, the approved German writer of the Presbyteriall way and employed by the States of Holland to write.
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GROANES FOR LIBERTY. PSESENTED From the Presbyterian (former∣ly Non-conforming) Brethren; reputed the ablest and most learned among them, in some Treatises called Smectymnuus, to the high & Honorable Court of Parliament, in the yeare 1641, by reason of the Prelates Tyranny.
TO THE HONOVRABLE, THE Knights, Citizens, & Burgesses of the House of COMMONS In PARLIAMENT.
To the Reverend Divines of the Presbyteriall way.
GROANES FOR LIBERTY.
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1. Divisions ought to be no prejudice to the Truth.
2 Stinted Formes not to be imposed.
3. No Formes of Particular men to be imposed on all the rest.
4. No binding to the use of composed Formes.
5. Severe imposing▪ a sin and a snare.
6. Liberty in use of Formes breeds no disturbance.
7. No set Formes for the first 300. years.
8. Things that even offend Anabaptists are to be removed.
9. Rigour makes Separatists.
10. Burthens to Churches to be removed.
11. Mens devices ought not to hinder preaching.
12. Mens inventions to set up jus Divinum to advance Government.
13. Oath ex officio an unlawfull engine.
14. When Presbyters grow as tyrannous as Bishops they are to suffer.
15. Change of words in Religion an ill signe▪
16. Reproches o Arguments.
17. Prelates impropriate Orthodox.
18. All not of their opinion are factious.
19. Prelates pathes causes of Divisions.
20. Where is the Church of England?
21. The name of Church is the Gorgons-Head.
22. An ill Custome to say Church of England and Conformity.
23. To call Schismaticks and Hereticks the Bishops practice.
24. Heresies and Schism harsh words.
25. Heavie censures for Non-conformity.
26. No Presbyters to be Ambitious.
A Beame of Light to discover a way to the peace both of CHURCH and STATE. By way of Considerations.
Consid. 1.
Consid. 2.
Consid. 3.
Consid. 4
Consid. 5.
Consid. 6.
Consid▪ 7.
Consid. 8.
Consid. 9.
Consid. 10.
Each opinionst ted briefly, respectively to Toleration. Let it be considered to what each pretended Heresie will amount to.
Independency.
Quaere.
The Anabaptists.
Quaere.
The Seekers.
Quaere.
A Modell or Short Draught of the whole difference betwixt the Divines for the Presbytery and them of the other way respectively▪ to the Magistrate or State drawn from the late Books and practice of both parties, in a Pet••nary way.
They of the Presbytery to the Magistrates or State.
The Independents to the Magistrates or State.
Some Quaeres for the better understanding of M. Edwards last Book, called in Latine Gangrena, But in English, a Book of Scandals, against the Honou∣rable Houses of Parliament, the Army, the Saints and Churches of Christ, that dif∣fer from him.
Quaere. 1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
M. Edwards Designes against His Brethren that differ from him.
Quaere.
Quaere.
Quaere.
Quaere.
Quaere.
An Expostulation with M. Edwards, upon his Booke called GANGRAENA.
A Parallel between the Prelacy and the Presbytery.
The Testimony of M. Samuel Rutherford, one of the Scotch Comm•ssioners, in the last Page of his Epistle to the Rea∣der, in his Booke Intituled, The Divine Right of Church-Government, and Excommunication. No incroaching on Christs Prerogative.
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THE DIVINE RIGHT OF PRESBYTERY; Asserted by the present Assembly, and Peti∣tioned for accordingly to the Honourable House of Commons in PARLIAMENT.
To those Brethren of the Assembly of Divines, Petitioners who are for the pretended Divine Right of the pre∣sent PRESBYTERY.
THE DIVINE RIGHT Of Presbytery, &c. With Reasons discussing this pretended DIVINE - RIGHT.
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Objection. But how will you do to satisfie Parliament, Presbyterials, and other dissenting Brethren?
Objection. But the Brethren of the Assembly expect the Parliament should joyne with their results.
Objection. Whether is this to settle things according to Covenant?
The Last Petition of the Assembly, for Divine Right in their present Presbytery, with Infe∣rences upon it.
Petition. THat the Provisions of Commissioners to judge the scandals not numera∣ted, appeares to our consciences to be so contrary to that way of Govern∣ment which Christ hath appointed in his Church.
Petition. In that it giveth a power to judge of the fitnesse of Persons.
Petition. And to be so differing from all examples of the best Reformed Churches, and such a reall kinderance to the bringing the Churches of God in the threePage  107Kingdoms to the nearest conjunction and uniformity, and in all those respects so disagreeable to our Covenant.
Petition. Do humbly pray that the severall Elderships may be sufficiently enabled.
Petition. It belongs unto them by Divine Right, and by the Will and appointment of Jesus Christ; which with the help of superiour Assemblies in cases of ap∣peale, or in all administrations therein, will prevent (through the blessing of God all the feared inconveniences.
Petition. And the Magistrate to whom we professe the Church to be accountable for their proceedings in all their Elderships and Church Assemblies, and pu∣nishable by him with Civill censures for their miscarriages.
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Principles destructive to their present Petition ex∣tracted from the Inferences.
The Position being a safer way for the Magistrate then the Erastian, and how the Presbyteriall Brethren cannot justly exclude him from ruling with them, according to the present consti∣tution both of the pretended Church and Presbytery.
Conclusion.
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The LETTER.
The Summe of your Book is this:
Master Leys Treatise.
Answer.
C. D. his Treatise printed with Master Ley's Book, in Master Ley's Commendation: whether made by himselfe, or some other, he best knows.
Conclusion.
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To the Right Honourable, the Lord Maior, Aldermen, and the Common-Councell of the City of LONDON.
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REASONS FOR Vnity, Peace, & Love.
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SHADOWES FLYING AWAY: Or, A Reply to Master Gataker's Answer to some pas∣sages in Master Saltmarsh his Booke of FREE-GRACE.
Answ.
Answer.
Answer.
Answer.
Answer.
CONCLVSION.
An Answer to a Book intituled A Plea for Congregationall Government: or, A Defence of the Assemblies Petition, &c.
Answer.
An Answer in few words to Master Edwards his second Part of the GANGRENA, And to the namelesse Author of a Book, called, An After-reckoning with Master Saltmarsh.
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